Noob starting Helmet

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Noob starting Helmet

Post by redUFO » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:12 pm

Hello everybody.

I'm a fan of the old school show and the newer BSO and glad there is a community here of builders. I've been reading the forums and various websites for over a month. I got a kit from Starbuck last friday and got straight into the build. I also ordered a LED eyescanner from somebody on ebay that has a few different modes. I'm not sure yet if I'll do the entire suit but will start with the helmet and see where that takes me. If the images below are too large for the board let me know and I'll downsize all of them.

As a noob I'll have some basic questions for anybody that can help answer them. I'm not afraid if I screw something up as most things can be fixed. I might also do 2nd or 3rd helmet as I have inspired many friends around me to get into prop making and like the cylon classic look.

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This is the kit I got from Starbuck and also the LED board.

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This is a closeup of the LED board. Is anybody familiar with this item? I haven't read all the pages of these forums but haven't seen anybody use this as a solution for the red eye.

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So I cut the 2 parts in half with a razor knife and did the tab method with super glue so I could line up the 2 sections together. Before I put them together I took a pencil and hand drew the areas to cut out of the eye and mouth. I used cylon knight as my reference on where to make the cuts.

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Here is the 2 sections with the eye and mouth cut out. Now I have my first question. Did I do this right? Did I cut out too much around the mouth/grill area?

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When joining the 2 pieces I used rare Earth magnets and a clamp and super glue to slowly get the parts to marry up. I've also built a couple of droids in the past and like to use magnets and glue to fasten hard to clamp sections together.

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After that step I got a glass jar and put some Weldon 3 in there and tossed in scrap styrene pieces in the jar for an hour and let that melt into goo. I think used a cheap paint brush to seal the crack and attempted to join the little 'nose' area together. This is a good method to melt styrene together if you do it right. I let the helmet dry a couple of days in the AZ heat for the Weldon 3 to evaporate or it don't sand too well.

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I used a mouse sander to sand down the melted styrene and then used glazing puddy and here is where I'm at after 7 days on the project. If you look you'll notice the 'nose' section shook apart from the vibration of the mouse sander. Also notice the overlap of the broken pieces. How do you guys/girls handle that little section to get it nice and solid prior to paint and chroming?

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Notice the overlap on the nose section? This how it just rests normally. What would you builders do with that? Just cut it as it rests or make it widen a bit. I'm not sure what the exact measurements and how to proceed next. Up to now it was easy and straight forward.

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These are the pieces left of the kit for the helmet. I understand the grill needed to be trimmed but I'm not sure where. Then the large horseshoe resin piece what is that for? I can see there are 2 resin black peices. Do I need both of them? This is where I'm going ??? :huh:

I appreciate any feed back or help the board can offer.



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Re: Noob starting Helmet

Post by Cylon-Knight » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:07 pm

Hello redUFO! Glad you found us and welcome, weclome to our small community of evil Cylons ;)

Your kit looks great - exciting. I remember when I got my helmet kit. Such FUN.

The eye looks cool... I've not seen one exactly like it I can remember. I know Hyperdyne has one like it for a display helmet (link here). I doubt you could wear the helmet with the board mounted that way. There is not much room and that board would no doubt jab you in the nose.

The tabs look great - they will help so much. Great idea. The cut line looks dead on - glad my posts helped. :)

The cuts around the grill look right from what I can tell in the photos. There is not much "edge" to the opening. Just a very slight lip... Here is a nice big photo that might help - me and my pal Chip a.k.a. "Mr. Cotton's parrot" from The Pirate's of the Caribbean movies who was at Galacticon 3: http://www.byyourcommand.net/cylongalle ... play_media

Magnets - awesome idea! I'll be borrowing that idea for sure. Do you have photos of your droids? Would love to see your other builds. Wow, reusing the scrap styrene?! I never heard of that before. Glad to have another crafy Centuruion on the basestar to share with and learn from- watching your build with interest!
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Re: Noob starting Helmet

Post by redUFO » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:50 pm

http://r5-d4.blogspot.com/

That's my blog. I need to update for the past 2 years of comic cons and recent state of my 2 droids I'm working on. As you can see I use alot of magnets!

I also have an efx viper helmet. Had to go thru 2 of them as the 1st helmet came with cracks all over the place. If you drop that helmet it's done for. The entire thing will shatter or break apart. For $600 bucks it should have been made a lot better. Like out of carbon fiber.

I'm also in the R2-D2 club and so is Womo the owner, great guy. That club is very, very advanced and a large community. They do all their own in house PCB design and programming, 3D printing, you name it. It' would be cool to see some 3D printing of cylon parts.

Nice photo album, cool you got to meet Eddie, he is coming to Phoenix in a couple of months. We only have 1 guy with a full cylon suit I know of. I think his name is Mike.

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Re: Noob starting Helmet

Post by Red Eye » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:34 pm

Good work you've done so far.

The eye scanner is made by Jupiter Electronics, they pop up on eBay quite often for very reasonable prices: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battlestar-Gala ... 567182f287

I'm using the same to update my scanner which ceased function some time ago. More about that later.

For additional info on the construction of the Centurion helmet itself, you'll find this link most helpful: http://www.cylon-knight.com/helmet.htm

Good luck! :cylon:
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Re: Noob starting Helmet

Post by GoldCylon » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:56 am

If that is your build you are doing great. The scanner eye section is play it by ear a little bit, but I think trimming the edges a bit more flush with the face is more accurate. Bridging the gap with the nose/lip section is a easy fix with glue, and a thing trimmed off piece. Use a strip of plastic from a milk jug as a diffuser for the eye scanner, and red plastic wrap. Like what you would find at Christmas. Good luck, and thanks for signing up. :cylongold:

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Re: Noob starting Helmet

Post by Soda Can » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:14 am

This is the exact same helmet kit that I have but the name on the box that I received it from was James Sleeth in orlando Florida.
Does anyone know this supplier or know his email, I would like to know if he does full armor kits etc.
Nice work on your astro mech droids and with this helmet kit so far.
If anybody can, Soda Can Cylon can. :cylon:

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Re: Noob starting Helmet

Post by Red Eye » Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:29 am

He does full armor kits indeed.

He's also a member here (nicknamed C.O.R.A.).

Just shoot him a PM.
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Re: Noob starting Helmet

Post by Soda Can » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:16 pm

Red Eye wrote:He does full armor kits indeed.

He's also a member here (nicknamed C.O.R.A.).

Just shoot him a PM.
Thank you for that Red Eye, have you seen the RPF site with the clone trooper helmet cast in Aluminium, that is what I am hoping to do for my Cylon build.
I have just made contact with a local foundry here with plenty of supplies of clean aluminium ingots for use and possibly being able to do a sand casting of the helmet.
I just have to figure out how to set up a mold for repeated use.
If anybody can, Soda Can Cylon can. :cylon:

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